I would like you all to post a thoughtful 4-5 sentence minimum paragraph about the film we watched today, Dreamworlds 3. This is a space for you to agree, disagree, or offer ideas about how to counteract the problems that Sut Jally identifies in the film. You can post this paragraph as either a separate post or as a comment on this post.
Another way to respond is you can think about how Jewel's video "Intuition" works or doesn't work (this is discussed in Dreamworlds). Or how does India.Arie's video relate to the ideas presented in the film (the lyrics can be found here).
I think the video does a great job showing the effects that music videos have on society and women in general. Even as women we watch these videos every day and still like the music even though the videos are portrayed the way they are. We think nothing of it because it is the way every music video is now, as offensive as it may be. I think people should be more objected to music videos like the ones we saw in the movie because of the strong female roles in society today.
ReplyDeleteI was actually really shocked by this video and it really seemed to open my eyes to modern music videos. I guess I never realized that even though these music videos are objectifying women and making them seem as though they are objects for men, I still watch them. I found the part about the Puertoriccan day parade and how men were assaulting the women to be very disturbing. I am just shocked that there were not more police around to try and stop that. However, this is basically what is happening in music videos only on a more private, controlled level.
ReplyDeleteThis video actually scared me. I was upset after watching what happened to women in Central Park. I never realized what these music videos look like when you take away the music. It's appalling. I agree with this video. The statistics at the end to me was definitely one of the most shocking things. This video did a great job of not blaming videos for the way people act and it also did a great job of expanding the degrading of women to all genres of music.
ReplyDeleteIt was a shock to me that I had never noticed or really realized what these music videos are portraying. The collection of video clips really made me think, "Wow, why have I never noticed this?". It's crazy to think that nearly ALL music videos use this technique (use of the female body) to get their music out there and be popular. Like Kylee, I was also upset after seeing the women in Central Park. The image of the woman with short blonde hair has been stuck in my mind all day. Being assaulted like that would be absolutely mortifying.
ReplyDeleteI was completely dumbfounded by the end of this video as well as embarrassed to be at all associated with the male race as depicted in the video. The way men treated women in this video (in all genres) is incredible absurd as well as shocking. I understand the idea that sex sells and the hetero male audience is king, but I had no clue of the severity of the male dominance/ female degrading that existed in music videos. My only comment/complaint is that they never showed counter examples to all the videos that showed women being treated the way we all know, i.e. Lady Gaga, M.I.A., Beyoncé, etc. Other than that, this video depicted the music video industry very well in my opinion.
ReplyDeleteThis video gives me a clear idea about the importance of woman body in a music video, which I did not realize before. Actually, I did not notice this situation that woman will never say no to a man and always use their body to seduce man until the video use many examples and cut them together. I can understand music video need to use something to attract its consumers’ attention, but the distort of female roles has already bring some society impact. Like the event happened in New York central park, men lost their minds because of the created “Dream World” in music videos. But the truth is, we live in a real world and women are not a part of object.
ReplyDeleteThere is no doubt that I feel sad for the role of women in music videos. Even though music video depends mostly on customer for its commercial purpose, the degrading part in it is not necessary at all. People also seem to confused about the reality and the "dreamworld"and what happened n central park make me feel irritated. There is evident that women and men are created equal and women should be respected as human,not regarding as some kind of sexual objects. Rethinking and redefining the sexual relationship between men and women is particularly important. Men and women should work together to break the male dominance in the society and build up a new ,respectful and healthy relationship.
ReplyDeleteI have noticed this before and was well aware of the situation except I never noticed how music videos portrayed men to be so violent and that it is such an extreme. The video of the men throwing meat on a girl was even more disturbing as I have never seen that footage before but I think all of this was directed towards a male audience. One connection that has helped me see this unequal world of music videos is Shania Twain's Man I Feel Like A Woman, where she is still dressed to be in a music video but her band consists of males in very tight shirts who all look alike and it looks abnormal just because we are used to seeing their roles switched. This representation of how some men want to view women is absurd and makes women out to just be objects for them. The main problem is that the videos are making their way into our society and some men seem to think this is okay. If these out breaks continue something has to be done.
ReplyDeleteThe video is definitely meant to be inflammatory and offensive. The sad thing though is that everything the video showed and talked about was true. The industry as a whole should definitely revise the way that they view woman. The major problem is that we as a society are so entrenched in this idea of beauty; specifically women beauty that we loose track of individuality and become less creative as a result. But until this marketing technique becomes ineffective the producers will continue to show women in degrading ways. In a way we as a society are at fault for continuing to watch and endorse these types of video's.
ReplyDeleteUnfortunately our society has become desensitized to many of the scenes depicted in this video. We have grown up watching this violence and mistreatment of women in the music industry, and because we have seen it so much many assume it is fine to do. When the music is taken out of the video it forces you to focus all of you attention on the images. This leads to a whole new perspective of the video and many once unseen images are now seen or noticed. I new most hip-hop videos were raunchy, but when other genres of music were broken down (country, rock)I was astonished that the hip-hop marketing tools were present there too. Peoples fantasies should stay in their heads and not fulfilled in real life like at the riots shown. Desire and beauty have taken over the need for talent and skill. There are only a hand full of artists that still maintain these attributes which is a shame.
ReplyDeleteThe video really put into perspective how the things we watch everyday are degrading and humiliating, but no one speaks up. Like it said in the video, real world women don't want to be stripped of their clothing and have alcohol sprayed on them, but music videos portray that as if it happens in real life. If nothing is said or done, I think music videos will continue to push the limits of the female body to even further extremes. The video was definitely a wake up call to me. We view these videos everyday and don't think of them in terms of real life events, but they blurs the line of what's acceptable in music videos compared to what's acceptable in the real world.
ReplyDeleteI think the video's technique of taking away the music from the video was vital to getting its point across. Without the music its clear how the men in the music videos violate and degrade women as if they are just objects to be used. There were a lot of disturbing images in this video, that I found very shocking. I think the video did a great job at getting its point across and showing the dehumanizing of women in all genres of music and not just hip hop music. I found the statistics at the end of the video shocking. over all I agree with this video and that women need to start being shown in a different light in media.
ReplyDeleteThis film exposes a subject that every one has thought of, but, because of social taboo and general awkwardness associated with this subject has rarely been talked about. The primary facet of the film that I feel could have been better developed, consisted of record companies tendency to hire pornography producers to create their music videos.
ReplyDeletePornography has never been considered to be as thought provoking and well developed as the majority of works produced within mainstream film. Unimaginative, if you will. When Dream World 3 sought to express the unimaginative nature of music videos, I whole hardly think that when a record companies higher a porn producer, that they know exactly what they are doing and expect a certain level of sexual material within the videos they produced. The former skills have been utilized by the produces is clearly trainslated into these videos. Overall the music videos where and are made to make money through record sales. But why does the music industry want to make more and more explicit videos? Could it be as shallow as money or could there be a deeper meaning?
I was completely in shock by the end of the video in class. I always knew that there was discrimination and objectification against women in the media, but I did not realize to what extent and how horrible it truly was. When the video showed the events of Central Park compared to a scene of music video to be entirely too close, I was disturbed. It is okay when it is seen in the "fantasy world" with these women, but the women at central park were obviously mortified. I think it is a problem in our society, and that we need to be more aware of what is portrayed to be okay.
ReplyDeletei think this video does a good job of showing the role that women have had throughout the years. The role of just being a mans object, except in earlier years women were seen to take care of the men and do everything for them. In a sense this is very similar except that now our society is dominated by media that has sexual content available to everyone so now women are seen as sexual objects for men. And this video represents this very well.
ReplyDeleteI agree completely with the film and one of the things things I agree with is the fact that women in the real world would and are not looking to be seen/treated this way by men.One way to combate this is simple: do not go along with others when they are making degrading comments towards women even if it is not necessarily 'cool', women will appreciate it in the long run. Women need to play their part as well though, by accepting this degradement by acting as an object in these videos, brings additional ideas to males, that these women really want this treatment and even volunteer to be in the videos.
ReplyDeleteThis film is just absolutely mind blowing. Though the objectifying of woman has been immense in the entertainment industry, I do feel that this has toned down a bit. I argue that in more recent times, music videos represent a form art than they do pornographies. The hood, gansta rap days are semi over and that is definitely positive; however, it is absolutely ridiculous the image the entertainment industry puts on woman. One of the most powerful scenes in this film is showing of the crimes that took place in some New York park. The film talks of all of these various absurd images and objectifying of woman in music videos, but it is sickening when they show these objectifications become reality.
ReplyDeleteI just feel terrible as a guy after watching this video. Even though the narrator never comes out and directly accuse men for the monstrous acts shown in this video, it definitely implies that men have to take part of the blame. And as a male, I feel that I have definitely been a by-stander or perpetrator in same cases. They make a valid point that the fantasies shown in music videos do not exactly portray reality. The problem arises when these fantasies are materialized to affect innocent women.
ReplyDeleteMan and woman are most certainly different, but we have come to recognize that woman fall under a certain natural trope of woman seductresses or eye candy. Too often we over look the underlying power that should be associated with such objectification of woman. Woman are bartered for, the men do the trading and it is quite apparent that is true. Woman not only comply with this in the industry but want to follow such forms of entertainment. It's a cycle that is very good at covering itself up, and I think we has human beings are far too busy to normally step aside and take realization of this.
ReplyDeleteI feel this video was one sided. I am not disagreeing with the video, but we are constantly reminded to show both arguments in our analysis. Here is an example from my own experience: I was at a party. I was standing next to my friend who was occupied talking to a girl. A different girl walks up to me and says, "you are very intimidating." I responded with, "ok, what makes you say that?" and she told me, "you have been looking me in the eyes and not at me or what I'm wearing." (I then apologized) To me this shows how the world is also changing in the direction where some (not all) girls want to be viewed in a way this video portrayed. Again, I am not arguing against this video, I am just opening up another viewpoint that I believe should also be provided. by Michael Gans
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